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Lampard is not average like.
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i am definately not a beckham critic! he has been one of the best and consistant players we have ever had and it is a shame he cant be there. but his international career is now over so we have to find his replacement.
I think if his head is right terry will be a big player for us and rooney will be our number 1 player. cm is a problem area and who goes up top with rooney??
last season i would say gerrard but this season hasnt been his greatest so who plays with him??
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Cm is not a problem area man, Gerrard and Lampard are both excellent players and this bollocks about them not being able to play in the same side is, well, bollocks.
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Take heed of Man Utd & Fergy.

Rooney is having his best season ever, and is even threatening to match Ronaldo's seemingly impossible 42 goals in one season - He has in the main been solo up top.

Stick Gerrard in behind Rooney, with Lampard and either Barry or Carrick behind him.

2 propper wingers on either side and by rights we should tear a new hole to all we play in the initial group stages.

Maybe against the better teams (Spain) later on, we drop Lampard, drop Gerrard a little deeper and play someone else up top with Rooney.
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LAmpard is vastly overated

he enjoys a virtually free role behind the front men at Chelski with world class defensive midfielders to cover for him

when he plays for engerland all he does is go deep to get the ball look up see no-one pass it sideways and run forward, time after time after time

gerrards a great player for Liverpool and has carried them to their current position but this season hes been troubled and for the national team no better than Lampard

as for wingers we simply dont have the players, nor really the defensive midfielders, as Parker is probably the better of them and he isnt considered by Capello

Barry isnt that good and doesnt have the pace for top top level football
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I dont really see the buzz with Barry like.

Shame Hargreaves is a crock, he and Ashley Cole were possibly the only 2 players to do well last time round.

Between Milner, Walcott, Downing, Lennon & Young we should have enough wingers to do a job out there. I would take them all.
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tino Wrote:LAmpard is vastly overated

he enjoys a virtually free role behind the front men at Chelski with world class defensive midfielders to cover for him

I don't care how many world class players he has to 'cover him' - you don't score over 20 goals a season from midfield if you're only average.

Everytime England lose, which is rare, people complain about those two in midfield not playing well together. The reason England lose against the best sides, is because they have better players. Nowt to do with those two not being a good pair.
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richy

theres a huge difference between playing with top class players in a decent league to playing with decent players in a top class competition
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Ok.

Lampard Essien J.Cole Ballack

Lampard Gerrard J.Cole Beckahm

Not too much difference in quality between those 4.

Players ahead of him? Rooney and Drogba are both just as good as each other.

Where's the difference from "top class" to "decent" in those sides?
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Agree with sal Barry is shite
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Ballack and Essien play deeper to let him have a forward role

Gerrard doesnt
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No reason why Lampard and Gerrard can't alternate between defence and attack, or why Cappello can't play a defensive midfielder like Carrick, who might not be as good as Essien, but he's good enough for Man United.
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Carrick would be a great defensive option for england but that would mean dropping either lampard or gerrard wouldnt it??
or would you play one of the two out of position??
I think england have a lot of options but until someone shows some balls and drops big players for being out of form nothing will change
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wotsits Wrote:Carrick would be a great defensive option for england but that would mean dropping either lampard or gerrard wouldnt it??
or would you play one of the two out of position??
I think england have a lot of options but until someone shows some balls and drops big players for being out of form nothing will change

Gerrard behind a solo Rooney, Lampard behind him, or vice versa.

They are both seasoned pro's, they should be intellegent enough to work it out.

We play relative no hopers for the first three games anyway.
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i think that sounds good, giving gerrard the freedom to roam where he wants and bounce off of rooney and vice versa.
Be good to see if capello puts in another friendly because we look very under prepared imo
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We've already got more friendlies arranged before the World Cup surely?
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yeah but the im sure they said the next one was 12 weeks away?
that doesnt give much time to sort the team out.
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Oh aye, true.
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Kevin Nolan is available.
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the reality is neither Gerrard nor Lampard have consistently performed for england

the same applies to others including SWP
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tino Wrote:the reality is neither Gerrard nor Lampard have consistently performed for england

the same applies to others including SWP

Very true, but they both have it in them, they prove as much year after year for their clubs.

They could both potentially shine in the summer, as well as Rooney, in which case we would have a genuine chance
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i like an optimist

you will probably find their books about their failure an interesting read
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THey haven't consistently performed? That's because whenever they do put in a good performance, it's overshadowed by the fact it's "only Andorra" or "Croatia aren't that good, wait til we play Spain"
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richyNUFC Wrote:THey haven't consistently performed? That's because whenever they do put in a good performance, it's overshadowed by the fact it's "only Andorra" or "Croatia aren't that good, wait til we play Spain"

But thats the point!!!!!!

Who gives a toss if they play a blinder against part timers and no hopers! They need to do it on the biggest stage of all, and this summer is their last chance to do it.

I dare say of all the England players over the last 20 years or so, Gerrard and Lampard will feel they have never stepped up to the plate on the international stage when it has really mattered.
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Aye, but the reson we get beat off teams like Spain is not because Gerrard and Lampard are underperforming, but the fact that those teams are better than us in pretty much every area of the pitch!

There's no need to start changing the team and saying "oh they can't play together" etc - they're beaten by the better side - and us dropping Lampard for Gareth fucking Barry is only going to make things harder for ourselves.
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Fair point, Spain in particular are a better side.

But are teams like Portugal?

Gerrard has never 'lit up' an international tournament, yet we know he is capable of doing so because we have seen it so many times for Liverpool. I am just saying it is about time he did, if he doesnt then he will no doubt look back on his international career as a failure.
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Sal Wrote:Fair point, Spain in particular are a better side.

But are teams like Portugal?

Gerrard has never 'lit up' an international tournament, yet we know he is capable of doing so because we have seen it so many times for Liverpool. I am just saying it is about time he did, if he doesnt then he will no doubt look back on his international career as a failure.

Portugal aren't better than us in every area, but they do have some class players, probably the best player in the world. Rooney's red card never helped us either.

Even the times before that they've had some good players like Figo and that, and we weren't quite as good then either.

I know what you mean about lighting up a major tournament though. Well, we weren't even at the last one. Big Grin
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They both seem to bottle penaltys as well during international tournaments, not so much for their clubs mind. They are good players though, but just not as good as Messi, Xavi, Ronaldiver, Iniesta, particularly when it really matters internationally.
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