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Are reporting that Newcastle have turned down a "derisory" offer for Kevin Nolan from West Ham... Also that Sky believe we are on the verge of signing Demba Ba.

I would personally like Nolan to stay, but from what I have seen of the lad I wouldn't say no to Ba.
11th June 2011 10:34 AM
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(11th June 2011 10:34 AM)Exiled Mag Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.Are reporting that Newcastle have turned down a "derisory" offer for Kevin Nolan from West Ham... Also that Sky believe we are on the verge of signing Demba Ba.

I would personally like Nolan to stay, but from what I have seen of the lad I wouldn't say no to Ba.

I'd go for a swap. If Nolan is determined to play hardball then he should go.
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He doesn't deserve a 5 year contract. That is reserved for those in late teens/early 20's.

Not sure about this Ba fella like.
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I just don't see why Nolan would want to drop back to the fizzy pop, whatever the wage. He needs to stay here, he may not be first choice, but he definately strengthens the squad, which is what Nolan and the rest were banging on about anyway.
Unless Hippo Heed goes mental with a bid of about 6 mil or so (Can you see the porn brothers autherisising that?) i'd tell them to fuck off. Which is also what i'd expect Nolan to say to fatty anyway.
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Nolan should have a job for life at Newcastle but it's a tricky one if he wants top wedge for the next 5 years......I'd like to think some compromise could be reached cos I think he's got the makings of a top coach/manager at some point
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Didn't people say the same about Shearer?
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(11th June 2011 10:55 AM)The Steve Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.Didn't people say the same about Shearer?

Probably controversial but IMO Newcastle were never going to move on until Shearer was out of the picture. Was almost bigger than the club at times. The same with Keegan until Bobby was appointed. Took too long to bury the ghost and move on.
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problem with signing africans is we are going to lose them to the african cup of nations every other season... next season being one of them.
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(11th June 2011 10:53 AM)McCreery Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.Nolan should have a job for life at Newcastle but it's a tricky one if he wants top wedge for the next 5 years......I'd like to think some compromise could be reached cos I think he's got the makings of a top coach/manager at some point

Same, it is tricky. I watched an interview around the same time as he was babysitting Judas on Footie Focus and he said he wanted to end his career at the Toon. He seemed genuine. I know Barton has said the same but you always get the impression he has another agenda.
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(11th June 2011 11:09 AM)ToonArmy1892 Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.problem with signing africans is we are going to lose them to the african cup of nations every other season... next season being one of them.

Isn't there a move to get this shifted to our summer? I don't see why there should be a problem anyway. The more internationals they play, the more top level experience they get, which in purely commercial terms, increases their value.
In an ideal world, this would give someone the chance to claim the position whilst the player was away.
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(11th June 2011 11:08 AM)Exiled Mag Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.
(11th June 2011 10:55 AM)The Steve Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.Didn't people say the same about Shearer?

Probably controversial but IMO Newcastle were never going to move on until Shearer was out of the picture. Was almost bigger than the club at times. The same with Keegan until Bobby was appointed. Took too long to bury the ghost and move on.

I agree. From what I heard, the beginning of the end for SBR was when he wanted to cash in on Shearer just before his (then reported) final playing season. Liverpool had offered £1m apparently. FFS saw his arse and banned SBR from all transfer dealings. That summer we 'strengthened' the squad with Lee Bowyer and flunked out of the Champions League qualifier.

Apparently SBR wanted to rebuild the squad with young, exciting players with pace and flair. FFS wanted the whole setup to be built around an aging Shearer.
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(11th June 2011 11:08 AM)Exiled Mag Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.
(11th June 2011 10:55 AM)The Steve Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.Didn't people say the same about Shearer?

Probably controversial but IMO Newcastle were never going to move on until Shearer was out of the picture. Was almost bigger than the club at times. The same with Keegan until Bobby was appointed. Took too long to bury the ghost and move on.

Correct, we guiltier than most for living in the past. As Lip says we tried to build a team around a 48 year old Shearer rather than developing the likes of Dyer, Bellamy, Jenas and any other younguns that Bobby wanted in the side.
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this demba ba lad is on a free think he played summit like 15 games and got 10 goals in a shit west ham team so might be worth a punt
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this demba ba lad is on a free think he played summit like 15 games and got 10 goals in a shit west ham team so might be worth a punt
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48? Haha.

The Dyer/Bellamy/Jenas lot were also bones of contention for SBR. He reportedly went mad at the power they had within the club, the favourable bend-over-backwards-to-accommodate attitude that the club had towards them. Discipline was slipping, and FFS was encouraging it for fear they would demand a move away.
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Nolan and Barton should be kept on at the club for the time being IMO. Its all about having strength in depth in the squad.
If any midfielders should be moved out, then its Smith and maybe Guthrie, not Joey and Kev.
11th June 2011 12:04 PM
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(11th June 2011 11:48 AM)lipsquid Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.48? Haha.

The Dyer/Bellamy/Jenas lot were also bones of contention for SBR. He reportedly went mad at the power they had within the club, the favourable bend-over-backwards-to-accommodate attitude that the club had towards them. Discipline was slipping, and FFS was encouraging it for fear they would demand a move away.


why would he then employ Souness to sort them out?
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I don't think the purpose of employing Souness was to sort them out. I think Souness was the only fucker that would take the job.
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(11th June 2011 11:48 AM)lipsquid Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.48? Haha.

The Dyer/Bellamy/Jenas lot were also bones of contention for SBR. He reportedly went mad at the power they had within the club, the favourable bend-over-backwards-to-accommodate attitude that the club had towards them. Discipline was slipping, and FFS was encouraging it for fear they would demand a move away.

It's true there was a hint of indiscipline in that side. I think it would have went away with age though. You don't see any of them in bother now. Christ, they were 20-23 and had the world at their feet. You have to forgive them for having a few beers and pissing in a shop window. Everyone is young at some stage.

I don't think anyone really knew if SBR lost the dressing room. No one spoke about him with anything but plaudits. He was an old guy managing some very rich young men. Sometimes you need to just turn a blind eye. It's either that or go all Souness on them and sell the cunts as soon as they sneeze in the wrong direction.

We've gone backwards ever since those days though.
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Surely the solution is to give Nolan what they want (within reasons of course) keep them happy, then if they are shit in 2-3 years sell them and make a few quid. Even if we sell them for £2m each, thats still good business.
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Surely the solution is to give Nolan what they want (within reasons of course) keep them happy, then if they are shit in 2-3 years sell them and make a few quid. Even if we sell them for £2m each, thats still good business.
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or potentially have another situation like we have with Smith?
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Sell them? Like Smith?
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But you run that risk with every contract you renew.
Williamsons was renewed at 5 and a half years, and hes older than Barton (albeit on higher wedge).
Barton and Nolan dont seem to be the type of players that will roll down their contract to earn a few quid.
Both are also on less than smith. And if both renew it will be at lower levels.
So everyones a winner.
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But you run that risk with every contract you renew.
Williamsons was renewed at 5 and a half years, and hes older than Barton (albeit on higher wedge).
Barton and Nolan dont seem to be the type of players that will roll down their contract to earn a few quid.
Both are also on less than smith. And if both renew it will be at lower levels.
So everyones a winner.
Also SMith will be sold in this window.
My guess is to LEeds.
Also SMith will be sold in this window.
My guess is to LEeds.
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Quote:I wouldn't say no to Ba

Neither would Steve LOL
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Ba seems trouble, and as for NOlan, i agree with Mac, done enough to be rewarded somehow.

my first impression was the club and him had agreed to let his contract run down, giving him 2 yrs at the club and time for all to come to some agreement moving forward$$
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(11th June 2011 01:16 PM)rotti Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.
Quote:I wouldn't say no to Ba

Neither would Steve LOL

Ho ho ho!
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If he's on a free I'd take a punt on him as he does score goals, but only on the understanding that he was to add to the squad and not put forward as the man the club wanted all along because that wouldn't wash with anyone. A good option maybe, but only to add to the strikers the club should be looking to bring in, and not in lieu of them.

As for the Nolan contract thing, well like people have said before, it's a tricky one. He's done enough to earn a decent two year deal based on the last two seasons, and that's being generous. A five year one is a bit of a piss take for a player who was never the most mobile in his youth, add to that his fluctuating weight, legs a bit crocked and two years is a good deal for him as a player.

I agree in that he could make a decent coach or number two, and a job at the club in a role of this sort would be enough of a show of gratitude and a correct use of his abilities where he could contribute past his playing career, which I think has not got a lot going for it at top level past next season.

I don't believe in "rewarding" players with stupid contracts at the end of their playing days anyway. They lead a privileged enough life to retire at thirty and not have to worry about fuck all for the rest of their natural lives to not have to emotionally blackmail a club into paying them three years over the odds whilst they quietly shrivel on the bench.
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(11th June 2011 11:48 AM)lipsquid Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.48? Haha.

The Dyer/Bellamy/Jenas lot were also bones of contention for SBR. He reportedly went mad at the power they had within the club, the favourable bend-over-backwards-to-accommodate attitude that the club had towards them. Discipline was slipping, and FFS was encouraging it for fear they would demand a move away.

Didn't Leeds offer £25m for Dyer and we turned them down or something?

Blimey.

People forget how influential Dyer was for a few seasons till he got too big for his boots.
(11th June 2011 03:43 PM)countofbiarritz Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.If he's on a free I'd take a punt on him as he does score goals, but only on the understanding that he was to add to the squad and not put forward as the man the club wanted all along because that wouldn't wash with anyone. A good option maybe, but only to add to the strikers the club should be looking to bring in, and not in lieu of them.

As for the Nolan contract thing, well like people have said before, it's a tricky one. He's done enough to earn a decent two year deal based on the last two seasons, and that's being generous. A five year one is a bit of a piss take for a player who was never the most mobile in his youth, add to that his fluctuating weight, legs a bit crocked and two years is a good deal for him as a player.

I agree in that he could make a decent coach or number two, and a job at the club in a role of this sort would be enough of a show of gratitude and a correct use of his abilities where he could contribute past his playing career, which I think has not got a lot going for it at top level past next season.

I don't believe in "rewarding" players with stupid contracts at the end of their playing days anyway. They lead a privileged enough life to retire at thirty and not have to worry about fuck all for the rest of their natural lives to not have to emotionally blackmail a club into paying them three years over the odds whilst they quietly shrivel on the bench.

The sign of good management is knowing when players have peaked as well as buying in. Wenger has been good at letting players go at the right time - Henry etc. Liverpool used to be good at it in the 80's. Ferguson sometimes gets it right.

This Barton/Nolan business may appear a little redundant if and when we sign a couple more quality players. The signing of Cabaye perhaps tilts people's sympathies against the ageing pair.
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