The Reserves

viana45 · 20th March 2012 08:46 PM

Does anyone honestly see the point in having a reserve team?
Keegan was on the right track back in '95 when he refused to submit a team to the league. Theres no real benefit.

We've seen players along the lines of Ranger, Chopra, Caldwells, and many many more similar calibre of players knocking around in there for years.

Players are either going to make it or they are not. Usually the players that make it are found in the u18's and perhaps younger.

Players knocking about playing reserve football for 4-5 years generally speaking arent going to make it for nufc, so whats the point?

ToonArmy1892 · 20th March 2012 08:54 PM

agree... seems a bit of a waste of time.

Sal · 20th March 2012 09:02 PM

It's a good place for fringe players to play in semi competitive games to stay sharp, players coming back from injury, younger players 'in between' the youth and senior squad and of course foreigners trying to settle into our game.

What we call our development squad get the chance to all play in the same side for a while and get to know each others game because in theory, we cull the shyte and keep topping up that squad to get a group that will hopefully push into the first team.

It's not too far fetched to think that Abeid, Streete, Vuckic, Sammi and Ferguson could all turn out for the first team over the next year or two - They would all be used to lining up alongside one and other already.

So yes I think it's worthwhile, it certainly does no harm anyways...

I could be wrong but am sure I read a while back that a big reason for Carrick not signing for us as a kid was that there was no reserve team, which meant he didn't fancy having no stage to stake a claim for the first team.

viana45 · 20th March 2012 09:05 PM

In the past 15 years of reserve team football at NUFC, who would you say reserve footy benefited?

Abeid, Vuckic etc should be out on loan getting first team experience. Not dicking about in reserves. Within 1 maybe 2 max years playing championship football if they arent pulling up trees sell them. If they cant do it in lower leagues they have no chance with us in premiership.

Sal · 20th March 2012 09:09 PM

Any player that has struggled with injuries has benefited though surely? What about the likes of Marveux or Saylor - Out for ages then back in training with a month or 2 of the season to go, a few reserve outings would be essential.

The way I see it is that is certainly isn't a bad thing, which means it can only be a good thing!

Texasmag · 20th March 2012 09:37 PM

I like the idea of the reserve team. At least they are getting a game instead of stagnating.

viana45 · 20th March 2012 09:38 PM

Who is getting a game?
The bums that will never make it?

The_Flaming_Lip · 20th March 2012 09:46 PM

If they didnt have reserve games they would just have to organise lots of practice matches to keep players fit anyway. Might as well have competitive games.

Im not sure of your point v. Are you saying we should only have a squad of 11 + the subs bench? Where do you think players like Ryan Donalson prove themselves and get on the bench?

wibble999 · 20th March 2012 10:02 PM

(20th March 2012 08:46 PM)viana45 Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.Does anyone honestly see the point in having a reserve team?
Keegan was on the right track back in '95 when he refused to submit a team to the league. Theres no real benefit.

We've seen players along the lines of Ranger, Chopra, Caldwells, and many many more similar calibre of players knocking around in there for years.

Players are either going to make it or they are not. Usually the players that make it are found in the u18's and perhaps younger.

Players knocking about playing reserve football for 4-5 years generally speaking arent going to make it for nufc, so whats the point?

they have changed the structure of our reserve team to allow more of the youngsters from the u18s as well as young players brought in to get experience- i think it is a good way of blooding the young lads and if we are going for top youngsters as they claim, they will all come through at round about the same time and have played together, a season on loan somewhere after a year or 2 in the reserves would be a natural progression, i disagree with your point mr v although it would be valid maybe 5 year ago-its dated as we are heading in a new direction now

viana45 · 20th March 2012 10:05 PM

So who has shown promise at reserve level that hadnt previously in the u-18's ?

Reserve footy is a waste of time.

wibble999 · 20th March 2012 10:16 PM

(20th March 2012 10:05 PM)viana45 Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.So who has shown promise at reserve level that hadnt previously in the u-18's ?

Reserve footy is a waste of time.

i dont think you get it, sounds like you are a bit set in your ways,
you oirish are funny

Sal · 20th March 2012 10:31 PM

Isn't the point that it's just the next step, V?

Texasmag · 20th March 2012 10:59 PM

(20th March 2012 10:05 PM)viana45 Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.So who has shown promise at reserve level that hadnt previously in the u-18's ?

Reserve footy is a waste of time.

Why do you say it's a waste of time V. Everyone has to start somewhere.
Obviously the more practice the better. Competitive games are a must for this purpose.

wibble999 · 20th March 2012 11:32 PM

(20th March 2012 10:59 PM)Texasmag Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.
(20th March 2012 10:05 PM)viana45 Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.So who has shown promise at reserve level that hadnt previously in the u-18's ?

Reserve footy is a waste of time.

Why do you say it's a waste of time V. Everyone has to start somewhere.
Obviously the more practice the better. Competitive games are a must for this purpose.

because keegan once said so-thats his reasoning, interesting how the likes of danny graham,adam johnson,jack colback and many other newcastle youngsters went to other northeast clubs because our reserves were full of overpaid overrated chumps who wernt good enough for the first team but we couldnt get rid of, there was no way these younger players were going to get a chance even at reserve level and they knew it,thats why we have ended up with a load of youngsters not good enough and will release most of them in the summer-as i said earlier the club has identified it as a problem and aim at bringing the best young talent through the ranks-which includes the reserves

viana45 · 20th March 2012 11:42 PM

Ive yet to hear 1 plausible reason to having a reserve team, rather than to give crocks a game to get back to fitness.
Which surely isnt the prime reason to having a reserve team.
In the past 10 years weve had 100 + players dicking about reserves that have never have a chance of getting near our first team. Thats my point.

wibble999 · 20th March 2012 11:49 PM

(20th March 2012 11:42 PM)viana45 Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.Ive yet to hear 1 plausible reason to having a reserve team, rather than to give crocks a game to get back to fitness.
Which surely isnt the prime reason to having a reserve team.
In the past 10 years weve had 100 + players dicking about reserves that have never have a chance of getting near our first team. Thats my point.

and the club has publicly stated that it is going to change the structure of things and get rid of the players who arent good enough and idenify top young talent and bring them through-the reserves being part of the plan,just because it hasnt been ran properly in the past you dismiss it even though there is a real blueprint for the club to progress
#oirishagainstchange

Texasmag · 20th March 2012 11:50 PM

Don't forget it's also good for getting players back to match fitness when coming back after injury etc.

wibble999 · 20th March 2012 11:51 PM

and to think them daft sods at barca have a reserve team

viana45 · 21st March 2012 12:08 AM

Oh dear

ToonArmy1892 · 21st March 2012 12:35 AM

i keep seeing the same names in the reserves year in year out that havn't played a competetive game for the first team, seems daft having them at the club at all.

the argument of giving first team players games in the reserves to get back to match fitness is a valid one... but still seems daft having a reserve team if that's the only benefit of it.

lundypete · 21st March 2012 05:35 AM

One of the common complaints on here, and seen as a weakness in the club by outsiders, is the size of our squad. The quality of the squad isnt as good as maybe we would like it, but it is getting better. If we are going to increase the size and quality of the squad, we need to be offering competitive games to those players: whether they are development players, back up for first team regulars, or players returning from injury.

How many times in the past have we seen players returning to first team games, and yet not match fit?

Hence we need a reserve team

wibble999 · 21st March 2012 08:30 AM

(21st March 2012 12:08 AM)viana45 Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.Oh dear

and the old "oh dear" comes back into play yet again when mr v is stumped

Sal · 21st March 2012 08:42 AM

Pretty much every young player we have signed has turned out for the reserves for whatever length of time.

This thread is stupid, there is no plausible reason for NOT having a reserve side, or is it to save on wages?

Figs · 21st March 2012 08:46 AM

The only way we could get rid is buy some player aka youngin and send them out on loan for a season to a club..

Vic · 21st March 2012 08:51 AM

the other day someone said Wibble might be Mac. I'm starting to think that too as Mac isn't around much and slowly Wibble is starting to talk some sense other than "his insiders stuff'.

The Steve · 21st March 2012 09:03 AM

One of worst things Keegan did in his first tenure here was get shot of the ressies. It set us back years to a extent as following the current crop of superstars we had no one to fill the void.

The reserves are imperative to allow injured players to regain match fitness. It also gives young lads the chance to play against and alongside more experienced pros who are getting some game time/match sharpness time. We can't send every decent young player out on loan...last season that would have decimated our bench had we done that. At varying points we had Vuckic, Ranger, Donaldson and Ferguson on the bench. If they were all out on loan - what would we do were we to get an injury.

Reserves are important and enable us to build a squad.

Swyer87 · 21st March 2012 09:03 AM

V you have come out with an absolute joke of an idea. If you relate this to all clubs football English footballers would disappear! Our youth system may have not turned out many youngsters but look at manure and arse they have produced almost full teams through their reserves.

Imagine it man, if all English clubs got rid of their reserve team, there would be no young talent coming through at all. Every top player in the game today initally learnt their trade in the reserves at some club!

Figs · 21st March 2012 09:45 AM

But you find our reserves you dont see 1st teamers in the team to get fitness as they think there to good for 2nd team football its all kids making the grade up from the acadamy..

Sal · 21st March 2012 09:50 AM

Obertan, Marveux, Gosling, Williamson, Vuckic, Abeid, Elliot, Harper, Lovenkrands, Shola, Sammi, Ferguson, Guthrie, Ranger, have all definitely turned out for the reserves this season.

We might as well discuss whether having central heating at home is a good idea, or whether we should do away with toilets and just piss and shit in the streets instead.

Figs · 21st March 2012 09:54 AM

Well this was the team last night hardly 1st teamers.

Alnwick, Airey, Riley, Logan (Miele 46), Kitchen, J.Henderson, Maddison (D.Taylor 46), Richardson, Ranger, Donaldson, Moyo (Hooper 62).

And the under 18's

Baird, Logan, Hoganson, Sayer, Kitchen, Storey, Gilliead, Miele, Hooper, Knight (Riley 46), Maddison.
Subs n/u: Mitchell, Smith, Cardona-Lopez.

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