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RE: Hatem on his way out?

Would Remy count as a "flair" player? He's definitely "classy", along with Cabaye.

I've seen him run at players, and produce an end product...
16th April 2014 08:35 AM
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(16th April 2014 07:32 AM)lipsquid Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.Work rate - fuck that. It's an anti-football notion.

The sad thing is HBA is our best attacking player at present which just highlights the lack of overall quality in the squad. Pardew has reduced the team to a bunch of sweating cloggers so anyone with flair, a bit of panache about them will stand out as a lazy fucker. I wonder how many games Ginola would get under this cunt.

Pardew is succeeding where hippo heed never quite did. He's turning international footballers into average at best players, knocking down their aspirations and brainwashing them into believing they are only mid table at best. Then he tries to gee them up as the plucky under dog playing out of their depth in a league they shouldn't be in. And failing.



what a load of old shite...erm respectfully

when did this notion start that work rate wasn't a necessary requirement of a Premier League midfielder?

put very simply....if you took away the work rate of Peter Beardsley you would be left with a Ben Arfa....that right there is the difference

Ben arfa scores the occasional world class goal....when he isn't scoring them he offers little else
16th April 2014 09:03 AM
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Giggs, messi and ronaldo - flair and work rate and proven winners
16th April 2014 09:08 AM
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(16th April 2014 09:08 AM)Rod100 Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.Giggs, messi and ronaldo - flair and work rate and proven winners

Add Peter Beardsley to that list.
16th April 2014 09:12 AM
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(16th April 2014 09:12 AM)Jinkyjim Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.
(16th April 2014 09:08 AM)Rod100 Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.Giggs, messi and ronaldo - flair and work rate and proven winners

Add Peter Beardsley to that list.

Definitely
16th April 2014 09:19 AM
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Partly what Lip said, he is the one genuine player we have who actually makes you stand up when he's running at people, but he just cannot, or will not apply that last bit of professionalism to make him into a true class player.
I agree that of anyone, KK would have the best chance to make him into the class act he can undoubtedly be. But with every talk of teaching, there is an equal responsibility to learn. He is Lauren Robert but a stone heavier.
16th April 2014 09:44 AM
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OK so what is this 'work rate' you all talk of? Obviously my definition seems to differ from that of others.

Work rate to me defines some donkey battler whose sole game consists of disrupting the opposition's game and hacking the ball out of a crowd mêlée.

I reckon Pardew would stifle Messi and Ronaldo and they'd both be seen as mavericks unwilling to do this work rate donkey shite.

Yes HBA is frustrating and hasn't really been coached well. His lack of "work rate" is not beating the opposition single handedly when his team mates have failed among them for 75 pathetic minutes.
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Hatem on his way out?

All players need to have a decent work rate. Someone who gives 100% every minute they are on the pitch regardless of their role or the job they have to do.

A forward needs to constantly make his runs and track back when needed and to also put the players under pressure when we dont have the ball. A winger needs to belt up and down the wings doing what he does. Getting the crosses in and helping out the full backs. Midfields need to win the ball, close down, and help out both defenders and attackers. Defenders need to be tracking runs and marking up players. Obviously it's all different depending on what role you play.

Work rate is not trying something maybe once or twice a match and when it goes wrong just standing there with your hands on your hips leaving it to someone else. drifting in and out of the game when it suits you. It's wanting to be involved in everything.

Bellamy as much as cunt he was had a great work rate, ran his bollocks off for lost causes etc. Now compare him to Shola?

Granted some players in the past were not so keen on tracking back, the likes of Ginola and Robert. but they weren't half very good at going forward and were used as an outlet time and time again. Constantly busting a gut to create something or even get the odd goal themselves. And to be honest they both were quite good at it.
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Lets keep it easy.

work rate - you lose the ball. You try and get it back.

Dont stand there like a pint of milk
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Hatem on his way out?

Aye what he said.
16th April 2014 12:39 PM
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So work rate is really just playing football then? Why didn't you just say so instead of pretending it to be some fucking hippo heed measurable quantity.

So if HBA scored or assisted goals every game he'd have a good work rate or if he didn't even lose the ball in the first place and created chances he'd have a good work rate but because his colleagues stand about like fannies and don't make a run for him to pass to and he eventually loses the ball he has no work rate. I understand now.

Jonas had great work rate and used to get us free kicks by falling over. Yet many here moaned when he played.

Work rate doesn't Fucking exist. It's just some made up term invented by pundits and adopted by fans to try to make them sound like they know what they're talking about.

HBA is not top class but he is the best we have right now because all creativity has been coached out of the other players. That one decent game in ten or so is all we can hope for because of negative tactics, a general lack of attacking intent and total lack of ambition on and off the field.
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Hatem on his way out?

Of course work rate can be measured Lips......I really don't understand the point you are making there

what about temperament?...is that not an important factor in somebody playing at this level?

I can think of as many times when he has lost the ball and the opposition have gone on to either get a direct shot on target or score a goal as I can times where he's been the player some people think he is

Ranger is probably not the best example but he's an example non the less.....talent and attitude are two very different things
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Hatem on his way out?

Forget work rate, he's just not very good. (in current form, but then again, none of them are.)

He makes the wrong decision far too often. Tries to beat his man when he should pass, shoots when others are better placed, tackled too easily, etc, etc.

Maybe he'd be playing better in a more confident side, like he has done in the past, but at the moment he's just not doing it, and it's been like that for a while now.
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Hatem on his way out?

(16th April 2014 02:22 PM)lipsquid Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.So work rate is really just playing football then? Why didn't you just say so instead of pretending it to be some fucking hippo heed measurable quantity.

So if HBA scored or assisted goals every game he'd have a good work rate or if he didn't even lose the ball in the first place and created chances he'd have a good work rate but because his colleagues stand about like fannies and don't make a run for him to pass to and he eventually loses the ball he has no work rate. I understand now.

Jonas had great work rate and used to get us free kicks by falling over. Yet many here moaned when he played.

Work rate doesn't Fucking exist. It's just some made up term invented by pundits and adopted by fans to try to make them sound like they know what they're talking about.

HBA is not top class but he is the best we have right now because all creativity has been coached out of the other players. That one decent game in ten or so is all we can hope for because of negative tactics, a general lack of attacking intent and total lack of ambition on and off the field.


My sentiments exactly.
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Hatem on his way out?

Of course work rate can be measured and it is not just playing football. You could have the best player in the world but if he is a lazy cunt and doesn't give his all for himself and for the team then his work rate is shite and he will never be as good as he can be.
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So playing football then?
16th April 2014 03:30 PM
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Hatem on his way out?

Does Shola play football?
16th April 2014 03:33 PM
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Mmmmm lets use shearer. Could easily stayed in the box and just scored goals.

he didn't. Even in the great sides he worked his arse off.

Lets not cosy up and make excuses for ben arfa..

attitude is what its about.
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(16th April 2014 03:30 PM)lipsquid Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.So playing football then?


really not seeing where you're going on this one Lips

going back to Beardsley.......would he have been the player we know and loved if he had the same work rate as Ben Arfa...or are they both just football players to you?
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(15th April 2014 11:06 PM)The Steve Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.
(15th April 2014 10:28 PM)ToonArmy1892 Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.That they didn't rate him...I still think KK or BR would have got the best out of him.

To Om this time lol...need to quote more.

Why do you think they'd get more out of him? I'm not sure what you're basing that on. All that HBA has shown me is that he turns up every ten games and that no fucker can manage him. I'd be disappointed to see him go but it's largely his own doing. He's his own worst enemy which is very sad as he could have been one of the most talented players in the planet if he had the work rate and mindset of those at the top of the game.

Because they are better managers.

(16th April 2014 08:35 AM)richyNUFC Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.Would Remy count as a "flair" player? He's definitely "classy", along with Cabaye.

I've seen him run at players, and produce an end product...

No..I class a flair player as someone doing something out of the ordinary.
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RE: Hatem on his way out?

I reckon he is away in the summer anyway

Let us keep an eye on him see if he produces for another club.Judging by the supporters chants on Saturday, there will be a few of them pissed off in the summer.
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(16th April 2014 03:55 PM)McCreery Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.
(16th April 2014 03:30 PM)lipsquid Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.So playing football then?


really not seeing where you're going on this one Lips

going back to Beardsley.......would he have been the player we know and loved if he had the same work rate as Ben Arfa...or are they both just football players to you?

Yes they're both footballers. Of course they are. Unless Beardsley did a bit of welding on the side.

Beardsley was an exceptional footballer who could raise his team mates and almost instinctively knew what his colleagues are doing.

Ben Arfa is a good footballer who might create decent chances for forwards if they actually got into threatening positions. But I don't think he's a patch on Beardsley.

I don't understand why everyone's on his back like the arse end of this season is all his fault. Not everyone is a great tackler. Not everyone is blessed with anticipation to intercept passes. That's why there are 11 players on the pitch with different abilities and specialisms.

(16th April 2014 03:43 PM)NE1 Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.Mmmmm lets use shearer. Could easily stayed in the box and just scored goals.

he didn't. Even in the great sides he worked his arse off.

Lets not cosy up and make excuses for ben arfa..

attitude is what its about.

Is his attitude much worse than all the others?

Anyway the whole club is fucked. Ben Arfa is hardly to blame and yes he's probably off in the summer.

I'm not saying he's a world beater and I have cursed him many times but I curse a lot of things on and off the pitch.
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Hatem on his way out?

Hoy the pic of the dog fucking the duck and lets be done with this
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lipsquid ' Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.I don't understand why everyone's on his back like the arse end of this season is all his fault. Not everyone is a great tackler. Not everyone is blessed with anticipation to intercept passes.

I and others had a go age ago just not at the arse end of the season.
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He isn't being blamed or singled out, it's just that there's many people who refuse to criticise Hatem and make excuses for him.

And that then creates these drawn out debates that make it look as though he has been singled out.

If there were no excuses for him, he'd just get lumped in with the rest of the collective shite.
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Pardew is shit
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Football is shit.
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What gets me is the double standards is the expectations of. Players

Arfa is our only flair player,and yet he's expected to be a water carrier like Tiote

Why aren't others criticised for not creating chances then, why is it left to the flair players
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They're all in a huff cos their mate Cabaye went, and they wont talk to the manager. So there.
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(16th April 2014 05:45 PM)richyNUFC Wrote: Guests cannot see links in the messages. Please register to forum by clicking here to see links.Football is shit.

shit is shit
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